From: Timothy Rue
Subject: Re: Join AmigaZone for the BEST online support
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 08:32:00
What it comes down to Dan, is that there is no single source or focal
point that leads to all the Amiga information available on and thru the
internet. An easy to use map if you will. It's information people will
pay for especially if they are new. At least until they find out about
cheaper or free sources.
In the big picture of things, especially if I was a new user, such a "map"
would be an advantage or buying point of using an Amiga. Even if such an
information service cost a monthly/annual subscription type fee. And If I
was trying to sell Amigas I'd be both a selling point and an information
source to help answer any potential customers question.
But for me to be selling Amigas, There would have to be an opportunity to
do so that allows me to earn.
See my web Home page under "The Plan = Team Work" in the ICOA election
part.
Also QuickPak and Pim Pub. are working together to bring about
www.amigaonline.com a service along the lines of AOL.
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From: Timothy Rue
Subject: Re: Join AmigaZone for the BEST online support
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 14:14:00
And it can't hurt the Amiga community to start doing things to map
available information towards one common product point so not to scare
the hell out of new users with fear of what they don't know is available.
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From: Timothy Rue
Subject: Re: Join AmigaZone for the BEST online support
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 14:50:00
On 05-Apr-98 03:33:14 Gary Peake wrote:
>Timothy Rue scribed to us about Re: Join AmigaZone for the BEST online
>support in comp.sys.amiga.misc
TR>> On 04-Apr-98 01:26:43 D_Reynolds wrote:
>>>Joanne Dow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> D_Reynolds wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > H.R. Laser wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Join AmigaZone for the BEST online Amiga support anywhere!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > With the disappearance of so many Amiga BBSes and poor Amiga support
>>>> > > from the remaining online services, isn't it time for you to join a
>>>> > > service that REALLY cares about and supports the Amiga and Amiga
>>>> > > owners?
>>>> >
>>>> > > All of this and much more for only $19.95/month.
>>>> >
>>>> > IS this a SCAM?????
>>>>
>>>> No, Dan, it isn't. It is an advertisement. So I figured to reply to Harv
>>>> with my own.
>>>> {^_-} Delphi IS cheaper.
I'd be nice if we could take the best of all resources and combine them
into a single package product and opportunity combined.
Why?
Because the Amiga has always had a rough time in marketing.
Why has the Amiga had this problem?
Because the Amiga has needed the creative talent of it's users to
integrate it into fields where there is a market. Problem has been this
talent was never been given the earning opportunity to move it into these
markets.
What about Gateway approved AI plan? I don't know what it or they are but I
have seen recent news saying the PC TV only sold 144 thousand and some
change in number of units sold. Would you consider this many Amigas in a
years, good?
>What you are missing here is that AmigaZone is much more than a file base. It
>is about comrade', about friendships, about fun with Amiga people during the
>nightly chats.
Exactly what is needed in PR. One on one.
>AmigaZone is about helping others, not just with their Amiga conquests, but
>in life, in dealing with things like illness, irritations, or general things.
Friendship is even better than PR.
>AmigaZone is about some very high tech people who attend those nitely chats
>who know more in one finger than most of us know in our whole bodies about
>the Amiga and/or computing in general ... yet they will walk the newest
>novice, step by step, thru any process they need help with.
Training.
>It's about having your own web page, telnetting, http'ing, ftp'ing and all
>the things we do here with our Amiga's. I have two email addresses. Do I
>actually NEED two? No, but the amigazone one is much easier for friends to
>remember. One for business now and one for friends. Or anyone can contact me
>at either one for that matter.
Sounds like a great place, perhaps something the UGN should tap into as a
common communication point. You know, the web page space and email
addresses. Two addresses would be helpful, perhaps one a place where a
user group could sell club items and the other for UGN communication.
TR>> What it comes down to Dan, is that there is no single source or focal
TR>> point that leads to all the Amiga information available on and thru the
TR>> internet. An easy to use map if you will. It's information people will
TR>> pay for especially if they are new. At least until they find out about
TR>> cheaper or free sources.
>"Cheap" is in the eye of the beholder and often the "cheapest" deal is not
>the best deal if you are looking for more than a single entry point into the
>web and having friends all over the world.
Very correct. But this also works the other way in that the most expensive
is not allways the best.
TR>> In the big picture of things, especially if I was a new user, such a
TR>> "map" would be an advantage or buying point of using an Amiga. Even if
TR>> such an information service cost a monthly/annual subscription type fee.
TR>> And If I was trying to sell Amigas I'd be both a selling point and an
TR>> information source to help answer any potential customers question.
>Don't know if AmigaZone has a 'map' per se, but anyone there can get you to
>anything you might need.
Understood! But there are those things that could easily be mapped and
helpful. From here you could begin filling in the details of where other
things fit. One example might be a land map (ie US map) where User Groups
are located with a link to that user group online web page.
TR>> But for me to be selling Amigas, There would have to be an opportunity
TR>> to do so that allows me to earn.
>Harv doesn't sell Amiga's on AmigaZone. He sells information, friendships,
>and fun more than anything else! And besides, we get the pleasure of picking
>on him most of the time! That in itself is worth the $19.95 to me! ;)
Information is important for many reasons. Selling, learning, training,
entertainment, etc.. And if it's fun, all the better.
TR>> Also QuickPak and Pim Pub. are working together to bring about
TR>> www.amigaonline.com a service along the lines of AOL.
>Good, the more the better!
Yes and no. Yes in that having options is good. No if it causes a division
of teamwork focus. In other words, we need a common focal point but with
consumer option. Like when magizines first came out it was one and very
general interest. In time specific topic magizines came out and now we
have choice here to.
Keep in mind the Amiga is starting over.
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From: Timothy Rue
Subject: Re: Join AmigaZone for the BEST online support
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 08:19:00
On 05-Apr-98 20:34:04 Gary Peake wrote:
>Timothy Rue scribed to us about Re: Join AmigaZone for the BEST online
>support in comp.sys.amiga.misc
TR>> On 05-Apr-98 08:31:53 Frank Brandau
TR>> wrote:
>>>Timothy Rue wrote:
>>>> What it comes down to Dan, is that there is no single source or focal
>>>> point that leads to all the Amiga information available on and thru the
>>>> internet. An easy to use map if you will. It's information people will
>>>> pay for especially if they are new. At least until they find out about
>>>> cheaper or free sources.
>>>>
>>>Try the Amiga Web Directory at www.cucug.org
TR>> Available Amiga mailing lists??
>Yes, see http://www.wans.net/~gpeake/tamlist.html for the Team AMIGA mailing
>list.
Haven't checked it out yet but "common entry point" to the big picture map
is what I'm talking about.
Is this link to just the Team Amiga list and if so what other mailing
lists are available?
Consider the AI twins as a potential "common entry point" for a map. From
here you might select language, country, etc. to get to a more specific
map suited for your (each consumer) taste.
The main entry point would always be there but each consumer would be
easily able to follow the map to customize from what all is available
(rather than the guess work or hope to find methods of today).
The Amiga market is small enough now to do this and do it well.
I.E. I may have heard of AmigaZone before but had no idea of the resources
available thru it. Maybe I still don't know all of what is available. But
I have been an Amiga user since 87.
We need a map and common entry points. Easy to follow structure for anyone
to follow and customize to their tastes or intrerest.
It'll have such benefits as naturally helping to focus the community,
including developers.
Personally, right now I'm not interested in what specifically is available
but rather the mapping of what is, so that I (and others) can see the big
(or a bigger) picture of the Amiga community. And to do so easily.
We have all these established resources, but try to show it to someone
new, especially if the one showing is rather new. Let's not follow what
seems to be acts of causing confusion, as much of the rest of the industry
seems to be doing. We can, and are in a good position to do so, do better.
Most of all, ease of following a map (removing or reducing the possibility
of missing something).
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From: Timothy Rue
Subject: Re: Join AmigaZone for the BEST online support
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 98 12:10:00
Just a thought direction:
Competition within teamwork to bring about the benefits of teamwork and
consumer choice on specifics benefits of subscribing to a focal point
product catalog/map and income opportunity (new method). Non-subscribers
still have a choice of what they buy but without the teamwork benefits or
income opportunity (traditional method).
There is much talent that as individual or group, can benefit from making
use of not just one or the other but both methods at the same time.
I.e. a freelance writer may receive income from contribution to teamwork
as well as independant work.
Gotta provide consumer choice between subscribing and not, to a focal point
package. A package where the benefits are of teamwork (something
inherently not available otherwise) but competitively priced with
non-teamwork choice.
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